I thought it might be interesting to speak with folks working in the field of lactation who are all at different points in their careers; someone in the beginning, middle and end of their careers. I was curious to hear their thoughts on the work and if there were any similarities at different stages of the path.
The first person I spoke with is Calliope. They are in the very beginning of their career. Calliope became a doula and a CLC in 2022. They have attended four births. They are primarily a birth doula but have had a few post-partum clients. However, since they are a CLC they say they stay on longer than maybe some other doulas might. They consider themselves a full spectrum doula. While they do not do doula work full time, they try to do it as much as their schedule allows.
What is the process like for you as you are helping these birthing people?
I love taking a doula client any time I can. This most recent one was extra special because she was a friend so we had a jump start on all of the “getting to know you” stuff. But also, it was a totally different challenge to get to know someone in this other way from what our relationship had been up to this point. But the thing I am struck by every time I do it is how do people do this without support? And like beyond that, how am I supposed to ask someone to pay me for this? If you want it, it should just be free flowing from the tap.
And then I am also really amazed and I learn a lot every time. I learn about how different people want to be interacted with both in a doula client relationship and just in life. I get a lot of good practice listening to people. I think it is also really important to be living in a community of support so that if I need a net, hopefully someone will be there to catch me. I think that is quite beautiful.
If you could change something in the healthcare system around birth and caring for mothers, what would you like to see?
I think more midwives would be really helpful. No shade to OB’s but I have noticed that sometimes doctors don’t really have the time to sit with a mother and help through what can be a stressful time. It feels a little like we are doing emotional clean-up from that lack of care. Especially first-time parents in a high-risk pregnancy which has been the clients I have had so far. Also, lower cost of care across the board.
Tell me about your work in Texas
I worked through an organization called GALS in Austin, which stands for Giving Austin Labor Support. They are an amazing organization! They pair every birthing person who walks into the hospital with a free doula. The client never pays anything, its state funded so I was paid through the state not from the parents. And I think more programs like that, all over would be amazing.
How do you think that could happen?
I don’t know. But my friend Juju, who is also a doula, and I are making grand plans for someday in the future to start one of here in New York. The success rates at GALS were amazing and they also provided lots of outside support with prisons which I thought was very cool.
When you say success rates, what does that mean to you?
When I think of success rates as a doula I’m talking ideally of a healthy everyone at the end. And luckily for everyone so far that has been my experience. And for the client, I think success is a sense of satisfaction on their part and a job well done. For the birthing person, that this event that is so personal and can really feel isolating is actually a massive empowering success. Empowering is a weird word but the idea that they feel really proud of themselves and they see themselves as incredibly capable.
And tell me about breastfeeding. How has it been helping these folks with breastfeeding?
That has also been great! All four of my clients have been able to exclusively breastfeed. For some of them, I didn’t keep up with after six months but they were all planning on nursing until either they or the baby were done. One of the families I worked with had three kids under five and then the father broke both his wrists so I stayed on a long time with them. I think I stayed for three months. That mother had breastfed all of her kids and had only just recently weaned the eldest. She found breastfeeding to be a huge way to bond with her kids. All of my clients so far have all really wanted to breastfeed and didn’t need much education on the benefits. So, they were all eager to troubleshoot if something wasn’t right. Like the latch or oversupply. Oversupply is the thing that I’ve come across most, which is interesting.
Why do you think breastfeeding was so successful for the folks you’ve helped?
I think for all four of them it was something that they were excited to do and I think that helps tremendously. For two of my clients it was the first baby. And for two it was the second or third and they had varying rates of success the first times around. I think for them it was about getting some external validation that they were doing a good job. Just someone telling them that is really important.
Validation is so important.
Yes. And skin to skin! They were all skin to skin for I think the entire first week! As much time spent skin to skin is key! My third client had a really rough road starting breastfeeding with her previous birth and we talked a lot about spending as much time as possible skin to skin and how helpful it is.
I also make it my practice to make sure we get a good latch before I leave on that first day. I also like to point out feeding cues and particularly rooting. I like to include the partner in this too. It gives them a little game to play, to look for the cues!
What are your goals for the future with regards to birth and breastfeeding work?
I am actually thinking about midwifery school. But I’m on the fence because it seems like you don’t really get as much time with a client and I think that’s the part that I love the most. But I definitely want to keep this work as part of my life. Especially as my friends have kids, I want to be able to support them.
Any other thoughts on the work in the birthing and breastfeeding space?
Yes, I feel very lucky that I know that if I had a scenario with a client as a CLC and I needed more support, like I needed help troubleshooting, I would have you all to call. I think in general, the birth work world could use a bit more community support. I know a lot of doulas and we all think that more community support for the practitioner would be awesome.
Next week, I’ll speak with someone in the middle stages of their career. Let’s see if there are similarities! Have a great week, and may all your ways be milky ways!











